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Took a While But Other Sites Think Liberalism Has Ruined Comics Too

It took long enough, but a few websites have picked up on the article from Bleeding Cool about how liberals are ruining comic books.  As if moths to a flame their reasoning is muddled and not really accurate let alone thought out… but that doesn’t stop me from pointing all of that out.

First up The Politically Incorrect Australian has this nugget:

It’s become impossible to just sit down and enjoy watching a movie or a TV show without having political correctness rammed down one’s throat. Even kids’ programming these days mostly consists of political indoctrination. Strident political propaganda does not make for good entertainment.

Yeah, damn those liberals and PC world.  Every piece of entertainment is tainted, they even made Fox liberal!  Nothing like a hyperbole to make one’s argument.

Sago had an article entitled Yes Liberalism Was The Downfall Of Comic Books.”  Sago just goes for the jugular and lays it out there with it’s homophobia:

Archie decided it was time for a gay character. To take something as wholesome and free of the taint and the onslaught of liberalism even though, they also did the whole global warming scam for a period was one step to far. I would just skip over those stupid stories, knowing full well it was a scam created by people who saw how to extract precious dollars from billions of people worldwide to their bank accounts, such as Al Gore. The gay character though was a move to far, the way the global warming hucksters attempted to sway a generation of children to their cause, now Archie was doing the same with gays. I have said and will continue to say, I don’t care what you do in your bedroom, I do damn well care that you are attempting to subvert a generation of children to your cause.

I’m pretty sure this person also thinks marriage has been ruined by the gays too.  I mean, having one gay character totally makes something tainted.  In no way does it reflect the real world or include the variety of people you might meet every day.  You wonder what a person like this’ thought when it comes to racial integration.  Took a while for Archie to do that too.

It is always sad to watch the few destroy America for the majority, but when 18% call themselves liberals but they have the whole of the entertainment industry, they are indeed “deciding” for the rest of us.

I never really understood this argument.  If the right is so hardcore about capitalism and the market deciding things, why not put their money where their mouth is and fund conservative entertainment?  I mean Fox is doing pretty damn well.  24 was a hit, Passion of the Christ had it’s Christian fans.  There’s just no evidence on any of this, but if a few things don’t meet one’s viewpoints, why not condemn everything?

But where a lot of this is coming from is Newsbusters and D.S. Hube‘s post “Is Liberalism Leading to Comic Books’ Downfall?

…as one who continued to purchase comics up until the mid-2000s, I find this modern “progressive” trend not only disburbing, but disgusting. It’s what led me to stop purchasing contemporary comics outright

Well, if it’s been 5 years, are you really an authority on the subject you’re writing?  There’s been a way of conservative writers and artists and comics cover issues from every perspective.  Comics are anything but liberal.  Are there liberal stories?  Sure.  Are there conservative stories?  Absolutely.  The idea of a vigilante taking justice into their own hands is as conservative a concept as can be.  Batman should be the ultimate conservative icon having a corporate leader funneling money to do what the police and government can not.

Hube goes on to cite The Authority and Mark Millar, especially Millar’s work on Superman: Red Son and Marvel’s Civil WarRed Son was a solid story that if anything praised American ideals and saw Superman landing in Russia instead of the U.S.  Civil War saw the liberals lose in the end.  Never mind Millar is reviled by many for his over the top violence and portrayal of women.  He might call himself a liberal and hold those political beliefs but as a whole his modern comics are very much about shock and awe.

Hube continues:

The Ultimates (which, by the way, the upcoming The Avengers movie is mostly based on), Millar had a superhero team composed of characters from countries like North Korea and the Muslim Middle East invade the United States so as to “restrain the Roman Empire” because they “feared what America might do next.” Another rationale was because America was “interfering with cultures they could never understand.”

I’m pretty sure I hear Ron Paul spouting similar ideas at every Republican debate.  I don’t think Dr. Paul is a liberal in any way.

The usual issues of Superman renouncing his U.S. citizenship is brought up.  Never mind that is so he can easily spread American ideals without causing the U.S. international incident.  Also the Captain America/Tea Party fiasco.  The humor of it all is that Hube calls some of the comics he condemns as good reads and “top notch.”

It’s the ‘ol “Shut up and sing!” mantra. If you’re in the entertainment business, you run the risk of alienating a certain portion of your fanbase if you insist upon making controversial statements or taking up controversial positions on issues. This is no way means you have to shut up; however, you need to be aware that freedom of speech does NOT mean there’s freedom from criticism — or freedom from consequences.And, thus, all this is [partly] why I blog. I why I’ll continue to not shell out $3-4 for a comicbook any time soon.

And there’s the rub.  What the right really has an issue with is anything that doesn’t fit their world view and that includes the freedom of speech.  They should practice what they preach and Hube is thankfully.  If they disagree with the content or the viewpoint or what a creator says on their Facebook page or on Twitter, vote with your wallet and don’t buy it.  Instead of getting worked up about sex in comics or how a character is drawn, don’t buy it.  It’s really that easy.  Conservatives believe in market forces.  This is a good example of practicing it.  If people really dislike it, they’ll stop buying.  But that’s not reality.

If liberalism is so bad, how come comic book sales increased last year?  Maybe because the majority of folks don’t care or notice.

Around the Tubes

The weekend is here, what’s everyone doing?

Around the Blogs:

Bleeding Cool – How Conservatism May Be Hurting Comic Book SalesAnd Bleeding Cool retorts itself.

iBlognDax – Are Comic Books Hurting Themselves?Interesting read.

FP Entrepreneur – Pow! Target your marketing like the prosReally, calling them pros?

Aurora Sentinel – Graphic appeal: Former state lawmaker works with local college artists to bring zombie comic novel to printVery interesting and worth checking out.

The ComiChron – More comics sold in 2011, but trade weakness contributes to slightly off year – Great stats as always.

Dave Does the Blog – Are comic books too liberal for their own good? – A good take down.


Around the Tubes Reviews:

CBR – Wolverine & the X-Men: Alpha and Omega #1

Comics Are Liberal? Try Again.

Another day, another “conservative” complaining that comics are too “liberal.”  Bleeding Cool yesterday gave space to Darin Wagner who went on a pretty well articulated rant about how comic books are too liberal and that he has less and less to read.  The fact is, Mr. Wagner is just wrong in his argument.

The crux of the argument is that comic books are bleeding readers because they’re “too liberal.”  As usual, a conservative decides to mix up causation and correlation.  There’s numerous factors that affect the sales of comics, the story is just one of them, but that’d actually mean people are picking up comics and then putting them down, that first part is just not happening.  Comic sales were up in 2011, when it was too liberal according to Wagner.

The humor of it all is that Wagner ignores a basic tenant of conservatism, allow market forces to decide things.  Comics aren’t shedding readers because they’re too liberal, it’s an issue with distribution and competition from other forms of entertainment, but who said conservatives were consistent in their thinking.

Comic books have a long tradition of politics, even with super heroes.  The early strips during the beginning were commentary on castes and society.  Those little scamps running around tin can alley?  There was some deep material there about social structure and class.   Wagner writes:

The first comic book superhero, Superman, fought a liberal/social agenda in his first stories.

He also cracked down on crime and later wasn’t exactly progressive when it came to depicting women.  But even then, Captain America, who has sat on all sides of the political spectrum, advocated the entry of the United States into World War II a year before Pearl Harbor.  Early Batman is a vigilante bucking the system to fight crime using his money to get around what the government can’t do, a very conservative principle.  There’s also the recent issue of sexism in comic books, not exactly progressive or liberal.  I’m sure Wagner also thinks the media is liberal.

The fact is, there is conservatism in comic books, Green Lantern, Hawkman, Bill Willingham’s Fables series is conservative, Holy Terror, The Infidel, The Infinite, hell there’s works of Ayn Rand in graphic novel form.  The fact is Wagner thinks comics should be apolitical or fit his world view.  Conservatives are supposed to be FOR freedom of speech, not condemning opinions.

Wagner picks and chooses a scene in an issue here or there.  Each week 100 plus comics are released, how many of them espouse a political viewpoint?  A few?  Who cares!  Read the other 90 something comics.  I don’t stop reading comics when someone is conservative.  I like to hear the other side and differing opinions.

Wagner gives these two examples:

Wonder Woman looks at the interior of the mall and likens it to a temple. Superman replies “Yes, for those who worship their credit cards.”


“…your childhood favorite grumbles about his/her country’s dependency on oil or how inherently dangerous oil drilling is to the environment and how it’s not worth it..”

So if these are liberal stances, then consumerism and credit card debt, not being energy independent and destroying the environment are conservative principles?  Many conservatives cried foul when Superman denounced his US citizenship as anti-American, ignoring that it was to be able to spread American values globally easier without causing the United States diplomatic issues.  That’s liberal?

What Wagner really is talking about is this study, which says people rarely seek out differing political viewpoints.  We like to live in a bubble that fits our worldview.

The re­search­ers found that peo­ple are on av­er­age about twice as likely to se­lect in­forma­t­ion that sup­ports their own point of view as to con­sid­er an op­pos­ing idea. Some, more closed-minded peo­ple are even more re­luc­tant to ex­pose them­selves to dif­fer­ing per­spec­tives.

But this statement is what really annoys me:

It’s happening more and more over the last dozen years: The people behind the scenes allowing their personal politics to bleed through into the stories of otherwise apolitical superheroes whose adventures are meant for everyone to enjoy.

It is not a right to have all media to be enjoyable by all people.  You have no right that entertainment fits your worldview.  That comic book characters should be drawn the way you want them to be drawn.  Artists and writers are hired, it’s their prerogative as to what’s put to paper.  It is then our choice, as consumers, to choose if we want to purchase the items.  That’s capitalism.  The fact is, comic sales rose last year, very much on DC’s shake up which is cited a lot in Wagner’s piece.  Can we make the argument then that liberalism in comics increased sales?

If Darin Wagner is this same person, he’s a comic book writer himself.  If he thinks there should be “conservative” comics, then make them.  I always think this is the proper response, especially for one who has created comic books.  Stand by a conservative principle and let your project sink or swim based on market forces and leave it to the consumers you think are being neglected.

Tuesday Twitter Fun – Obama, Tea Party, ACTA and Oni

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It’s a bonus round of Tuesday Twitter Fun.  It’s a mixed bag of issues below.

Comic blogger Cameron Hatheway commented on some of the vile statements members of the Tea Party called various elected officials on Saturday, http://twitter.com/CamComicCorner.

Cameron Hatheway

Comic writer Gerry Conway decided to speak out about the current secret deal being worked on about copyright.  ACTA would have major ripples on copyrights, fair use and intellectual property, http://twitter.com/gerryconway.

Gerry Conway
Kurt Busiek is new to Twitter but already he’s learning how much fun it can be when it comes to politics.  Welcome Kurt by following him at http://twitter.com/KurtBusiek.

Kurt Busiek

And finally Oni Press (who has shown they get new media) has some fun with President Obama and their announcement of the release of the newest Scott Pilgrim volume.  Giver Oni a well deserved follow at, http://twitter.com/onipress.

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Tuesday Twitter Fun – Captain America, Health Care, Obama, and More, Oh My!

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Last week numerous people involved in the comic book industry tweeted their thoughts about the Captain America/Tea Party controversy.  This weeks sees some spill over as some of those same people contemplate other issues connected and much more.

Alex Segura isn’t just the publicity manager for DC comics but also a great resource for breaking politics news, http://twitter.com/alex_segura.

Alex SeguraAlex Segura

Ed Brubaker is one of the great modern comic book writers, http://twitter.com/brubaker.

Ed Brubaker

Gail Simone is also an amazing writer and received a lot of flack for her statements on the controversy, http://twitter.com/GailSimone.

Gail SimoneOur new friend Ron Marz decided to chime in on the Sarah Palin/Rahm Emanuel issue, http://twitter.com/ronmarz.

Ron Marz

Mark Waid is an amazing writer as well, and decided to speak out about his views on Captain America, http://twitter.com/MarkWaid.

Mark WaidMark WaidBen Templesmith is a comic book writer who’s actually worked on a book about American Presidents, http://twitter.com/Templesmith.

Ben Templesmith

Choice Quotes

Black Panther #11

N’Dega – Wakanda is in a full-blown crisis, my friend.  Whether you and your liberal fence-sitters are willing to admit it or not… this country is about to tear itself apart.

Ex Machina #47

Martha Hundred – We only get one Earth guys.  That’s why Reagan’s energy policies are so dangerous.

the Mighty Avengers #32

Guard – This guys a super villain. You think anybody’s gonna care about his civil rights?

Realm of Kings: Inhumans #2

Quicksilver – It’s a marriage of convenience, obviously.  A political thing.

Choice Quotes

Avengers: The Initiative #28

The Hood – Arizona’s out.  Too friendly with the targets. And California’s a bunch of left bleedin’ hearts.  We could try Washington, or Montana…


Victoria Hand – Butterball… what can I say?  He’s a surprise hit.  Middle America loves him.

Norman Osborn – Of course.  He’s fat and stupid.  Just like them.

Dark Reign: The List – X-Men

Victoria Hand – But… Director Osborn– Why?  There’s no strategic or political or military virtue in–

Norman Osborn – Because Namor screwed me over!  So now he gets a message!  Nobody does what he does and gets away clean.  Revenge doesn’t need strategic or military virtue.

Uncanny X-Men #515

Namor – Is this place… a refugee camp?  A reservation?  Are you a hotel, a hostel, a fortress?  Perhaps a compound.  Or a sovereign state…?

Hank McCoy – Or a prison.


Professor X – No jetpack this time?

Cyclops – You want to save the jetpack for big entrances, Charles.  Besides, we’re trying to convince the U.S. we’re not a bigger threat than Castro — We can settle for the unspectacular.

Choice Quotes

DMZ #44

Cult Leader – The question is, do you think it can come back?  Do you think it can ever be the same again?

Tony – … probably not.

Cult Leader – I think you’re right.  I think whatever happens, whenever it happens, this city’ll be another Mogadishu, another Monrovia, another Port-Au-Prince.

Tony – That’s harsh.

Cult Leader – The sun is setting on America.  We’re just another failed state, our major cities turned into ghettos.

Fables #87

Bigby – There was no big threat.  No secret, evil group of all-powerful liberals.

Snow – Literals.

Bigby – Right.  Literals.

Green Lantern Corps. #39

Senator Diro – We now have powers — powers to protect ourselves from aliens — all aliens.  We want you and your ring off our world.

Arisia – Get your hands off me — you racist bastard.

Uncanny X-Men #514

Emma Frost – This is was, you cretins– and you’re either with us of against us.  Make up your minds and get out of the way.

Choice Quotes

Adam: Legend of the Blue Marvel #2

Dum Dum Dugan – Jackie Robinson… Cassius Clay… the world wasn’t ready for him.  It was a different time.  A different world.

Tony Stark – That doesn’t excuse it.

Dum Dum Dugan – Never said it did.  But this wasn’t baseball or boxing.  It was politics.  Different animal, different rules.  You of all people should know that.  A black man with the power he had during that time in history made people feel… uncomfortable.


Kruetz – You hypocritical liberals are all alike.  You want the world to read like a mother’s day card.  But you don’t want to do what’s necessary to keep it safe.  A safe world costs something.  Someone, somewhere has to pay the piper when the bill comes due.

Tony Stark – Machiavellianism is often used as a euphemism for corruption.

Kruetz – You would know.