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Updated: Larry Doherty and Larry’s Comics at it Again. This Time Hate Speech Towards Transgender People.

What started as a friendly discussion on Twitter about digital versus print comics quickly devolved into a string of hate speech and Trans Bashing between the owner of Larry’s Comics, Larry Doherty, and Christian Beranek, a self described “Comic book writer, geek girl and rocker.” The discussion started in a friendly nature.

But quickly devolved from there.

The issue with Larry’s response is the word “sir.” Christian is transgender. Meaning she identifies herself and lives day to day as female. So, you can see how the word “sir” might make one uncomfortable and is insulting and degrading. In fact Christian politely asks Larry to stop using the term.

But, Larry being the agitator he is, continues.

And…And…

And the insensitivity continued…

This is Trans Bashing and Cyber Bullying, no other way to put it. Larry was aware of Christian being transgender and continued to use the words “sir,” “dude,” “man” and “fellow” when referring to her. All terms belittling Christian. But, this isn’t the first time this behavior has come from Larry. In 2011, he also made insensitive racist jokes about the new Ultimate Spider-Man before the character was introduced and just rumored to be black.

This is the latest example of a comic book industry struggling with inclusion, whether that’s race, gender, sexual orientation, religion or gender roles. Mandy Curuso took to the internet to describe the harassment she experienced this past weekend at New York Comic Con. She described it as her “first truly skeezy experience at Comic Con.” And that’s the thing, this is a minority that’s causing these issues. The majority of fans are inclusive and welcoming and like sharing the hobby and entertainment they enjoy with others.

Unfortunately, incidents like this or what Mandy experienced don’t result in repercussions. The film crew Mandy dealt with will still get press passes and Larry will still have his ass kissed by publishers and creators who overlook his behavior that gives a black eye to the industry. When will we all say enough is enough?

Christian was kind enough to respond to my inquiries and provided the following quote about the incident:

Brett, I’ve been following Larry on twitter for awhile now. I appreciate his viewpoint as a retailer dealing with an ever-changing industry in which digital is becoming more and more important. Last night I made an admittedly cheeky comment about webcomics in response to a post about Marvel. It was meant to get a discussion going and it did. Larry is very passionate about print comics and often makes condescending remarks towards those of us who work in digital. Usually it rolls off but last night he called me ‘Sir’. I let pronoun misuse slide because I understand people are still getting used to me living as a female. I always ask the person to please make an effort to correct themselves and most times people are pretty cool about it. Last night Larry was not so cool.

Larry points out that print comic sales are rising. I think that’s great for the Big 2 and others benefiting from it. But there are loads of us who are working hard to tell different types of stories in different ways. Many of the people who make comics online have never even been to a comic book convention let alone a comic book shop. Many feel they are hostile environments. I think the “Boy’s Club” mentality of comics holds us back in a lot of ways. To be fair those who act this way are in the minority but they are extremely vocal and many of them hold positions of power.

I think manners and common courtesy go a long way. I’m not trying to censor anyone’s thoughts, I just think we’d have a much more pleasant and thriving community if we considered the lifestyles, backgrounds and viewpoints of other people.

Just take a moment and listen from time to time. People will surprise you and many times you’ll learn something new. Heck, Larry and others like him might even increase their business further because of it.

Thank you for the opportunity to have a say on this matter.

I would have reached out to Larry for a comment on the matter, but he’s had me blocked on Twitter for my opinions for well over a year.

Update: After numerous hours Larry has issued an “apology.” I have my opinion, but I leave it to you, the readers, to decide how truly heartfelt it is. And thanks for the shout out as the “vindictive blog” Larry and thanks for the traffic! *hugs*

Update 2: It seems Larry clearly doesn’t understand why this was an issue, deciding to make a joke about it all.

No Larry, it’s not the same thing, but thanks for showing us you can not learn a lesson and move on.

The Case for #comicmarket and #comicretail

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Comic book retailers, artists, writers, fans and the industry as a whole received a black eye on Sunday over comments made by a prominent retailer regarding speculation the new Ultimate version of Spider-Man would be African American.  The reality is a bit more complicated than that, as Miles Morales was revealed to be the new person under the Spidey mask.  Miles is a new mixed-race character who seems to embrace the heart of what Spider-Man is about.  He’s the embodiment of that core that makes the character beloved and so easy to relate with.  And in a way the Twitter discussions using #comicmarket and #comicretail should be the same.  Embodying the positive core that is the comic book industry and hobby.

#comicmarket is an ongoing discussion between comic book retailers, creators, publishers and fans where new ideas on how to move the hobby and industry forward flows back and forth.  On Monday, I vented some frustration that the discussion had turned negative, populated with insiders who weren’t open to all of the new individuals participating, though they may claim it, and pepper what’s generally positive discussion with threats to comic creators and publishers who don’t participate.  What was a great idea turned into an insider’s tool that was all to quick to reject what could be valid viewpoints from outside individuals.

#comicretail on the other hand was started in reaction to the racist comments mentioned above.  So far the discussion is positive, dominated by retailers who want to learn from each other and independent comic book creators looking to those retailers for ideas how to get their product out before a wider audience.  It’s young, not heavily trafficked, but has the right attitude, inclusion.

As #comicmarket descended into a Twitter pile-on on Monday, you could feel the tension rise, as numerous new individuals caught wind of Sunday’s incident.  It’s also apparent some didn’t learn their lesson, and there’s issues deeply rooted within the community when it comes to race in comic books.  My plead to them is stay.  Stick around, and participate.  I Tweeted the below later in the day:

Some artists, writers and publishers publically and privately stated this incident is why they don’t participate in the discussion and is the perfect example of what’s wrong with the comic book retail end of things.  It was the public example of the unprofessional nature by some of those who sell the wares, and unfortunately those unprofessional members are also some of the most vocal and high profile.

While it’s sad there’s a need to deal with this behavior, it was necessary.  The tension and frustration was building for many, and you can see that in the #comicretail split off discussion.  But, #comicmarket and #comicretail can be and should be a vital part of the greater movement to expand and professionalize the comic book industry.  It’s the progressive voice of what has been a stale business with a failing model.  It can break through the entrenched institutions and democratize purchasing and sales.

For the first time in history, people throughout the world have the ability to discuss things in real time, sharing information, techniques and data as to what is working for them.  It allows writers, artists and publishers to reach stores easier, stripping power away from a broken distribution and marketing system.  What at times waited for conventions, conferences or conference calls, can now occur 24/7 365, unfiltered.  This is unprecedented, important and also allows for those who might not be involved in day to day operations of the comic book industry to weigh in with their knowledge which might be helpful.  There is no wall anymore, these two hashtags are an embodiment and example of the community.  But most importantly, an embodiment that is open to all, and where no one can be excluded.  That being said, we’ll deal with issues like Sunday, but it spurred a vital discussion about race in comic books, so we can’t say there wasn’t a positive.  The Twitter discussion might have been started by a few, but it was never theirs.  It’s for us all.

Too many have images of “The Comic Book Guy” from The Simpsons when they think of the register jockeys who sell funny books.  #comicmarket and #comicretail is an opportunity to break that mold.  It’s a public face of the industry, which is what was so disturbing about Sunday.  The incident painted retailers and fans in a bad light, but it also turned off so many past, present and potentially future participants.

I plead you to still participate.  Don’t let one incident deter you.  If nothing else, after Sunday, you should engage more and show your professional attitude and add your voice to the discussion.  You need to add to the progress we’ve made, and help pave what’s yet to come.  The more that do, the easier we can control and drive a productive atmosphere that benefits us all and puts a positive face on a form of entertainment that too many forget exists.

The #comicmarket problem

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Yesterday, things came to a head on the #comicmarket discussion on Twitter.  #comicmarket was started by Larry’s Comics and a few others to foster discussion among retailers, fans, publishers, artists and writers in how to improve the comic book industry.  In doing so, it has become a public resource, growing each week.  It has become a public relations tool, showing off what the comic book industry has to offer.  Unfortunately, that came to a screeching halt, as the same Larry’s Comics who helped start the forum for discussion also belittled it and those who participate by posting what can only be described as racist comments.

The discussion began over the rumor of the next “ultimate” Spider-Man being black.  Larry thought it was a publicity attempt and then proceeded to post the following:

There’s no excuse for those comments.  They are unwelcoming to new participants, combative and racist.  Unfortunately the comments didn’t end there.  Some other “open minded” individuals piped in when a few of us called out the comments.

Just like race jokes, comments about AIDS also crosses a line.

There’s so many issues with this incident.  The first is the clear tone deaf reaction by Larry’s Comics.  He deleted the offending tweets not because they were wrong, but because he didn’t want to deal with responding to them.  But, that’s what he’s been doing all day today.

No it wasn’t a “good natured joke.”  It’s something you might say to your friends in the privacy of your home or store (if you choose), but in a public forum that represents us all it’s uncalled for.  Today Larry agreed it was “unprofessional and tacky.”

If that’s the case, why post it to begin with?  But Larry has decided to dig himself further into the ditch he created by posting this to numerous spots:

I think the old saying goes, “if your friends jump off a bridge, would you?”  Larry has in the past made inflammatory comments, it’s “who he is.”  But that doesn’t excuse them or his behavior.  When this same retailer wonders why he doesn’t have a lot of female customers he refers to the women as “chicks” in his attempt to discuss the issue. In the past he’s posted a photo of a topless woman, covering her breasts wearing Lantern rings to promote things.  That might have something to do with your “woman issue.”  Both are uninviting.  But, there’s also the use of “gay” to refer to “lame” things among other offenses.  Another retailer has referred to his staff member as a “pussy” on Twitter for various reasons I can’t remember.  That behavior is unprofessional.

The greater issue is, it’s a black eye for the #comicmarket.  As a whole the discussion has been positive, and a lot of great things have come out of it, but a few people can ruin something easily.  The discussion at times, beyond this incident, has been combative, negative and participants are dismissed due to their status of not being retailers.  Threats towards artists, writers and publishers that mimic George Bush’s “you’re with us or against us” pepper the discussion as if those tweeting are a La Costra Nerdstra.

We need open forums to foster discussion of a form of entertainment that’s barely surviving.  For as many steps forward we make there’s days like yesterday and today that take us back quite a few pegs.  As a whole we need to grow up and put the face forward we want the public to see, one of an industry an entertainment form that deserves to be around.

Bleeding Cool has further discussion on the topic as well as some more of the history surrounding past antics.