Disney appeared before the committee on October 24, 1947. HUAC was formed in 1938 to investigate alleged disloyalty by private citizens, public employees, and organizations suspected of having Communist ties. It was a standing committee until 1975 when the House abolished it and its functions were transferred to the House Judiciary Committee.
HUAC’s activities are often associated with McCarthyism and in 1947 it held a nine day hearing into alleged communist propaganda and influence on Hollywood. More than 300 individuals were boycotted by studios due to it and few were able to rebuild their careers.
During the hearing and his testimony, Disney named employees to be communist agitators including union organizer Herbert K. Sorrell and Art Heinemann, an art director on Fantasia, who was blacklisted due to his involvement in the strike. David Hilberman was another individual named by Disney. He helped found the Screen Cartoonists Guild and later left Disney to co-found United Productions of America. He was blacklisted after Disney names him. Disney was convinced that communists used labor unions as a front and were behind the 1941 strike.
The individuals named by Disney were eventually cleared of formal charges but many were blacklisted by Hollywood for years.
Mr. SMITH: Have you ever made any pictures in your studio that contained propaganda and that were propaganda films?
Mr. DISNEY: Well, during the war we did. We made quite a few—working with different Government agencies. We did one for the Treasury on taxes and I did four anti-Hitler films. And I did one on my own for Air Power.
Mr. SMITH: From those pictures that you made have you any opinion as to whether or not the films can be used effectively to disseminate propaganda?
Mr. DISNEY: Yes, I think they proved that.
Mr. SMITH: How do you arrive at that conclusion?
Mr. DISNEY: Well, on the one for the Treasury on taxes, it was to let the people know that taxes were important in the war effort. As they explained to me, they had 13,000,000 new taxpayers, people who had never paid taxes, and they explained that it would be impossible to prosecute all those that were delinquent and they wanted to put this story before those people so they would get their taxes in early. I made the film and after the film had its run the Gallup poll organization polled the public and the findings were that 29 percent of the people admitted that it had influenced them in getting their taxes in early and giving them a picture of what taxes will do.
Mr. SMITH: Aside from those pictures you made during the war, have you made any other pictures, or do you permit pictures to be made at your studio containing propaganda?
Mr. DISNEY: No; we never have. During the war we thought it was a different thing. It was the first time we ever allowed anything like that to go in the films. We watch so that nothing gets into the films that would be harmful in any way to any group or any country. We have large audiences of children and different groups, and we try to keep them as free from anything that would offend anybody as possible. We work hard to see that nothing of that sort creeps in.
Mr. SMITH: Do you have any people in your studio at the present time that you believe are Communist or Fascist employed there?
Mr. DISNEY: No; at the present time I feel that everybody in my studio is 100 percent American.
Mr. SMITH: Have you had at any time, in your opinion, in the past, have you at any time in the past had any Communists employed at your studio?
Mr. DISNEY: Yes; in the past I had some people that I definitely feel were Communists.
Mr. SMITH: As a matter of fact, Mr. Disney, you experienced a strike at your studio, did you not?
Mr. DISNEY: Yes.
Mr. SMITH: And is it your opinion that that strike was instituted by members of the Communist Party to serve their purposes?
Mr. DISNEY: Well, it proved itself so with time, and I definitely feel it was a Communist group trying to take over my artists and they did take them over.
The CHAIRMAN: Do you say they did take them over?
Mr. DISNEY: They did take them over.
Mr. SMITH: Will you explain that to the committee, please?
Mr. DISNEY: It came to my attention when a delegation of my boys, my artists, came to me and told me that Mr. Herbert Sorrell—
Mr. SMITH: Is that Herbert K. Sorrell?
Mr. DISNEY: Herbert K. Sorrell, was trying to take them over. I explained to them that it was none of my concern, that I had been cautioned to not even talk with any of my boys on labor. They said it was not a matter of labor, it was just a matter of them not wanting to go with Sorrell, and they had heard that I was going to sign with Sorrell, and they said that they wanted an election to prove that Sorrell didn’t have the majority, and I said that I had a right to demand an election. So when Sorrell came I demanded an election.
Sorrell wanted me to sign on a bunch of cards that he had there that he claimed were the majority, but the other side had claimed the same thing. I told Mr. Sorrell that there is only one way for me to go and that was an election and that is what the law had set up, the National Labor Relations Board was for that purpose. He laughed at me and he said that he would use the Labor Board as it suited his purposes and that he had been sucker enough to go for that Labor Board ballot and he had lost some election—I can’t remember the name of the place—by one vote. He said it took him 2 years to get it back. He said he would strike, that that was his weapon. He said, “I have all of the tools of the trade sharpened,” that I couldn’t stand the ridicule or the smear of a strike. I told him that it was a matter of principle with me, that I couldn’t go on working with my boys feeling that I had sold them down the river to him on his say-so, and he laughed at me and told me I was naive and foolish. He said, you can’t stand this strike, I will smear you, and I will make a dust bowl out of your plant.
The CHAIRMAN: What was that?
Mr. DISNEY: He said he would make a dust bowl out of my plant if he chose to. I told him I would have to go that way, sorry, that he might be able to do all that, but I would have to stand on that. The result was that he struck.
I believed at that time that Mr. Sorrell was a Communist because of all the things that I had heard and having seen his name appearing on a number of Commie front things. When he pulled the strike the first people to smear me and put me on the unfair list were all of the Commie front organizations. I can’t remember them all, they change so often, but one that is clear in my mind is the League of Women Shoppers, The People’s World, The Daily Worker, and the PM magazine in New York. They smeared me. Nobody came near to find out what the true facts of the thing were. And I even went through the same smear in South America, through some Commie periodicals in South America, and generally throughout the world all of the Commie groups began smear campaigns against me and my pictures.
Mr. MCDOWELL: In what fashion was that smear, Mr. Disney, what type of smear?
Mr. DISNEY: Well, they distorted everything, they lied; there was no way you could ever counteract anything that they did; they formed picket lines in front of the theaters, and, well, they called my plant a sweat-shop, and that is not true, and anybody in Hollywood would prove it otherwise. They claimed things that were not true at all and there was no way you could fight it back. It was not a labor problem at all because—I mean, I have never had labor trouble, and I think that would be backed up by anybody in Hollywood.
Mr. SMITH: As a matter of fact, you have how many unions operating in your plant?
The CHAIRMAN: Excuse me just a minute. I would like to ask a question.
Mr. SMITH: Pardon me.
The CHAIRMAN: In other words, Mr. Disney, Communists out there smeared you because you wouldn’t knuckle under?
Mr. DISNEY: I wouldn’t go along with their way of operating. I insisted on it going through the National Labor Relations Board. And he told me outright that he used them as it suited his purposes.
The CHAIRMAN: Supposing you had given in to him, then what would have been the outcome?
Mr. DISNEY: Well, I would never have given in to him, because it was a matter of principle with me, and I fight for principles. My boys have been there, have grown up in the business with me, and I didn’t feel like I could sign them over to anybody. They were vulnerable at that time. They were not organized. It is a new industry.
The CHAIRMAN: Go ahead, Mr. Smith.
Mr. SMITH: How many labor unions, approximately, do you have operating in your studios at the present time?
Mr. DISNEY: Well, we operate with around 35—I think we have contacts with 30.
Mr. SMITH: At the time of this strike you didn’t have any grievances or labor troubles whatsoever in your plant?
Mr. DISNEY: No. The only real grievance was between Sorrell and the boys within my plant, they demanding an election, and they never got it.
Mr. SMITH: Do you recall having had any conversations with Mr. Sorrell relative to communism?
Mr. DISNEY: Yes, I do.
Mr. SMITH: Will you relate that conversation?
Mr. DISNEY: Well, I didn’t pull my punches on how I felt. He evidently heard that I had called them all a bunch of Communists—and I believe they are. At the meeting he leaned over and he said, “You think I am a Communist, don’t you,” and I told him that all I knew was what I heard and what I had seen, and he laughed and said, “Well, I used their money to finance my strike of 1937,” and he said that he had gotten the money through the personal check of some actor, but he didn’t name the actor. I didn’t go into it any further. I just listened.
Mr. SMITH: Can you name any other individuals that were active at the time of the strike that you believe in your opinion are Communists?
Mr. DISNEY: Well, I feel that there is one artist in my plant, that came in there, he came in about 1938, and he sort of stayed in the background, he wasn’t too active, but he was the real brains of this, and I believe he is a Communist. His name is David Hilberman.
Mr. SMITH: How is it spelled?
Mr. DISNEY: H-i-l-b-e-r-m-a-n, I believe. I looked into his record and I found that, No. 1, that he had no religion and, No. 2, that he had considerable time at the Moscow Art Theater studying art direction, or something.
Mr. SMITH: Any others, Mr. Disney?
Mr. DISNEY: Well, I think Sorrell is sure tied up with them. If he isn’t a Communist, he sure should be one.
Mr. SMITH: Do you remember the name of William Pomerance, did he have anything to do with it?
Mr. DISNEY: Yes, sir. He came in later. Sorrell put him in charge as business manager of cartoonists and later he went to the Screen Actors as their business agent and in turn he put in another man by the name of Maurice Howard, the present business agent. And they are all tied up with the same outfit.
Mr. SMITH: What is your opinion of Mr. Pomerance and Mr. Howard as to whether or not they are or are not Communists?
Mr. DISNEY: In my opinion they are Communists. No one has any way of proving those things.
Mr. SMITH: Were you able to produce during the strike?
Mr. DISNEY: Yes, I did, because there was a very few, very small majority that was on the outside, and all the other unions ignored all the lines because of the set-up of the thing.
Mr. SMITH: What is your personal opinion of the Communist Party, Mr. Disney, as to whether or not it is a political party?
Mr. DISNEY: Well, I don’t believe it is a political party. I believe it is an un-American thing. The thing that I resent the most is that they are able to get into these unions, take them over, and represent to the world that a group of people that are in my plant, that I know are good, 100 percent Americans, are trapped by this group, and they are represented to the world as supporting all of those ideologies, and it is not so, and I feel that they really ought to be smoked out and shown up for what they are, so that all of the good, free causes in this country, all the liberalisms that really are American, can go out without the taint of Communism. That is my sincere feeling on it.
Mr. SMITH: Do you feel that there is a threat of communism in the motion-picture industry?
Mr. DISNEY: Yes, there is, and there are many reasons why they would like to take it over or get in and control it, or disrupt it, but I don’t think they have gotten very far, and I think the industry is made up of good Americans, just like in my plant, good, solid Americans.
My boys have been fighting it longer than I have. They are trying to get out from under it and they will in time if we can just show them up.
Mr. SMITH: There are presently pending before this committee two bills relative to outlawing the Communist Party. What thoughts have you as to whether or not those bills should be passed?
Mr. DISNEY: Well, I don’t know as I qualify to speak on that. I feel if the thing can be proven un-American that it ought to be outlawed. I think in some way it should be done without interfering with the rights of the people. I think that will be done. I have that faith. Without interfering, I mean, with the good, American rights that we all have now, and we want to preserve.
Mr. SMITH: Have you any suggestions to offer as to how the industry can be helped in fighting this menace?
Mr. DISNEY: Well, I think there is a good start toward it. I know that I have been handicapped out there in fighting it, because they have been hiding behind this labor set-up, they get themselves closely tied up in the labor thing, so that if you try to get rid of them they make a labor case out of it. We must keep the American labor unions clean. We have got to fight for them. . . .
